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  2018-Message From Watchtower Informant!

  by Atlantis in

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  from one of our informants inside the watchtower.

  (same person whosent us videos from the legal dept., accounting dept., pioneer school,and so forth.

  ) atlantis told him that he is walking on a razors edge,to be extremely careful.his email message:1. watch tower has no right to demand you to sign a consent form.

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  Thanks Petra, Atlantis & Co. so very much - heroes of freedom.

  Might we use this thread to expand on your contacts important points ..

  #2 "...retains information on ...former members with consent."

  Did members from 70´s and 80´s ever give consent? if so, how?

  
  #3 "WT retains more data about former members than on existing members. ....without knowledge or consent ...they intend to retain this data."

  indicates WT is very concerned about the effects apostates are having on their social credibility and bottom line profits (hooray)

  I think THIS is their greatest liability - having documents on file like judicial records, character assessments, molestation complaints, homosexual witch hunts, interference in family relationships, etc. - that are freely shared among themselves and serve no legal purpose other than to label (gay,apostate, pervert, brazen etc.) and persecute those who exercise their lawful Freedoms .

  Apostasy, sexuality, association, expression are human rights, not a crimes and this fact needs to be laid bare before theocracies of any stripe in democratic societies.

  WT could pay a huge price for violation of rights in liberal countries.

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  JWs on campus

  by Sarabethy in

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  it's my first time on this site though i am no stranger in the ex-jw community.

  i come to you now asking for your assistance in what to present to the dean of students at my university.. why am i meeting with dean of students, you may ask?

  because today, while innocently finishing an assignment in the school library, i happened to look out the window and see the jws with their stupid little cart.

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  Sarabethy -

  Good on you for enlightening the dean.(another heroic gesture)

  And good on the campus for championing free speech - something the JWs neither preach nor practice. .

  Thanks for studying to clean up this wonderful world - and have fun kicking one crappy cult to the curb while you do it.

  Ajax
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  JWs on campus

  by Sarabethy in

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  it's my first time on this site though i am no stranger in the ex-jw community.

  i come to you now asking for your assistance in what to present to the dean of students at my university.. why am i meeting with dean of students, you may ask?

  because today, while innocently finishing an assignment in the school library, i happened to look out the window and see the jws with their stupid little cart.

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  JaniceA -

  What an absolutely brilliant idea.

  and that recorded would would be worth a ton of the mockery and ridicule the "smugity" lying hypocrites so richly deserve.
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  Lies from the watchtower

  by StephaneLaliberte in

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  i am interested in getting a list of lies that the watchtower has said or wrote in the past that could actually be proven to be as such, or, for the very least, deliberately misleading.

  1. in a morning worship lecture in 2015, stephen lett said .

  "rejecting false stories designed to separate us from jehovah's organization.

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  Vincent Tool (Australia) on record that there is no shunning.

  Jackson at ARC - presumptuous to claiming GB to be the sole channel to the divine - their favourite current and full time lie is the exact opposte stance and hence the need for total, absolute and blind obedience and loyalty from the rank and file.

  Lying about the significance of the numbers of the annointed going down now up.
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  JWs on campus

  by Sarabethy in

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  it's my first time on this site though i am no stranger in the ex-jw community.

  i come to you now asking for your assistance in what to present to the dean of students at my university.. why am i meeting with dean of students, you may ask?

  because today, while innocently finishing an assignment in the school library, i happened to look out the window and see the jws with their stupid little cart.

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  Sarabethy -

  You made my day and are now my hero

  My humble blessings are upon you for doing the right, brave and proper thing in support of your righteous indignation.

  Righteous indignation is typically a reactive emotion of anger over mistreatment, insult, or malice of another. It is akin to what is called the sense of injustice. In some Christian doctrines, righteous anger is considered the only form of anger which is not sinful..(Wiki)

  Mistreatment, insult and malice are the stock in trade WT/JW treatment of any who no longer respond to their propaganda of fear, obligation, guilt and . We are legion and with you 100%!

  Also congratulations for making it to university, and claiming this place of education, reason, and research as ..."..what I consider my territory." Shocking indeed seeing a familiar, abusive cult hawking their bronze age beliefs on campus.

  Perhaps before your meeting with the dean, you could collaborate with students from journalism and sociology etc. etc. to record another encounter which would document the basis ignorance, lying and deception of WT claims to benefit others through charity.

  Take your time,prepare well and perhaps your uni can set some precedent for vetting the conduct of religious abusers who expect a free hunt on campus rather than outside on the sidewalk where they belong.

  Please continue to share with all us here.

  Ajax
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  Want A Good Laugh? Check this Out!

  by HiddlesWife in

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  i found this video this afternoon: .

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucfh2g5pfk .

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  JW Chronicles - very funny and great subjects and animation !
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  What Is The Most Ridiculous Thing You Have Heard From A Witness?

  by minimus in

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  i remember an elder questioning a woman who had admitted to giving and receiving oral sex from her unbelieving mate.

  he asked her the most intimate questions which clearly flustered her.

  interestingly, she “confessed “ to the elders because her conscience bothered her.

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  ¨Best Life Ever¨ when meant as a reference to life in a high control cult.
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  Memorial Attendance ???

  by Phizzy in

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  hi all, anybody any anecdotal or actual idea of how attendance numbers went this year ?.

  there are hints that it is well down, but is it ?

  and if it is, will the borg stop crowing about the attendance as they always have ?.

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  Stillin ´-

  Maybe it´s time for Jehovah to kill everybody.

  That would make a great teeshirt -yes it would.
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  You MUST Sign the Data Collection Form "...obey...whether these appear sound from a strategic or human standpoint or not.¨"

  by gone for good in

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  the many and complex issues surrounding the collection of person data and new laws aiming to protect individuals control of their own privacy, seem to have hatched about the same time as the governing body expressed their hope that it´s own 8 million would obey their order to "sign this form" effectively transfering total authority over privacy and data issues over to the borg.. what are your thoughts on this coincidence?.

  zuckerberg lost billion$$ when people realized that he had prostituted their personal data and now wt wants the same signed access that he had to info that is $$$.... wt already owns all the real estate and now wants to own all the data.... it´s a current and global issue - please share your thought with the rest of us here.. .

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  Judicial committees have destroyed thousands of families, ruined individuals lives, ended mutually beneficial relationships and led to suicides and untold heartbreak.

  It´s all in JW/WT shared data - not exactly the equivalence of bowel regularity.

  Law abiding people are having their freedoms and rights trampled without legal representation in amateur courts presided by unqualified elders .

  Even when you refuse to participate - It´s still all recorded - names, dates. allegations, witnesses, and the life sentence activated by having your name read out .

  Access to this kind of information is valuable if change (or justice) is ever going to come about..

  signing away your rights to access is insane.

  If you want to see how valuable your records really are - just try to get them and watch the stonewalling.
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  Personal Data Permission (Spain)

  by paradiseseeker in

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  i had the meeting yesterday and there it was announced that there will be a new law passed in spain regarding personal data.

  that law makes it compulsory for the wt spanish branch to collect a signed permission from the publishers to keep and utilize personal data.

  no choice was given to us, we were just told to make sure we hand in our signed permissions before may 18th.

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  The Canadian system allows individuals to demand access within 30 days to any files, data, records etc etc which have been formed regarding yourself.

  You may demand to know who has shared them and for what purposes they were shared. Someone in every company that keeps such records has to have a person on staff to accommodate your access to it all. (some exclusions for national security etc.)

  I tried to access my records from Canada bethel using the approach above and was refused access (by letter) -the reason given for non compliance was that religions are not for-profit organizations (although they can and do generate enormous profits).

  Europe may be forward thinking enough to include religions in their desire to protect an individuals access to his/her own information.

  The WT is turning its new legal responsibility (to provide open access) into a data bonus for themselves by coercing members to quickly sign away their personal control of their own data to the Borg, thus giving the individual less not more rights to privacy and protection....seems pretty devious